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At least two leaders of the coup launched in Honduras on June 28 were apparently trained at a controversial Department of Defense school based at Fort Benning, Georgia infamous for producing graduates linked to torture, death squads and other human rights abuses.

Leftist President Manuel Zelaya was kidnapped and transported to Costa Rica on Sunday morning after a growing controversy over a vote concerning term limits. Over the last week, Zelaya clashed with and eventually dismissed General Romeo Vasquez -- who is now reportedly in charge of the armed forces that abducted the Honduran president.

According to the watchdog group School of Americas Watch, Gen. Vasquez trained at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation at least twice -- in 1976 and 1984 -- when it was still called School of Americas.

The Georgia-based U.S. military school is infamous for training over 60,000 Latin American soldiers, including infamous dictators, "death squad" leaders and others charged with torture and other human rights abuses. SOA Watch's annual protest to shut down the Fort Benning training site draws thousands.

According to SOA Watch, the U.S. Army school has a particularly checkered record in Honduras, with over 50 graduates who have been intimately involved in human rights abuses. In 1975, SOA Graduate General Juan Melgar Castro became the military
dictator of Honduras. From 1980-1982 the dictatorial Honduran regime
was headed by yet another SOA graduate, Policarpo Paz Garcia, who
intensified repression and murder by Battalion 3-16, one of the most
feared death squads in all of Latin America (founded by Honduran SOA
graduates with the help of Argentine SOA graduates).

General Vasquez isn't the only leader in the Honduras coup linked to the U.S. training facility. As Kristin Bricker points out:

The head of the Air Force, Gen. Luis Javier Prince Suazo, studied in
the School of the Americas in 1996. The Air Force has been a central
protagonist in the Honduran crisis. When the military refused to
distribute the ballot boxes for the opinion poll, the ballot boxes were
stored on an Air Force base until citizens accompanied by Zelaya
rescued them. Zelaya reports that after soldiers kidnapped him, they
took him to an Air Force base, where he was put on a plane and sent to
Costa Rica.

For previous Facing South coverage of controversy surrounding the School of Americas/Western Hemisphere Center, see here.

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re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Thank you for reporting on this important matter. So far, I haven't found any other site with this relevant information.

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¿Y por qué es esto de alguna importancia? ¿El Presidente dice que fue torturado? ¿Por qué imprimir algo que sólo conducirá a más falsos rumores e insinuaciones? Muchos jefes militares, como aquí en nuestra gran Estados Unidos de América han sido formados en la misma forma. Y como la historia nos muestra, muchos de ellos han utilizado su formación. Esto es un caso más de irresponsabilidad de presentación de informes por parte de alguien que tiene acceso a una computadora portátil y la Internet. Aveces un pocoquito de conocimiento y sabiduría es peor que nada .....

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I don't see how this is a military coup if it was the supreme court and the congress that ordered the military to take into custody Zelaya.

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Wow! It'd Howdy Doody Time again, with Buffalo John Negroponte and the Army School of the Americas Bass Band. Back to the 80's; it's like old home week brought to you by Ronald McDonald Reagan and Ollie North. Where are the freedom fighters?
H.Buckingham

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Everyone interested at the situation in Honduras should know:

•That the honduran people has resisted stoically for over 3 years the governo of an individual that changed its mind at every tip creating confrontation between the institutions of the state.

•That the honduran people had as president someone who considered Honduras as his particular state.

•That his continued reject of the law has been the custom and not the exception.

•That his intention its and have been to seek indefinite reelection trying to becoming a Chavez line dictator.

•That the venerable Army of the Republic of Honduras did only the will of the law by removing Manuel Zelaya Rosales from the presidency.

•That Honduras is only in a process of transition of powers as is written in the constitution of our Republic.

•That several contries are trying to meddle into our soberanity by promising to send troops into our country to reinstate a fellow chavista to power

Please help us to change the denomination that the international news networs give to this situation naming it a “Coup of Etat” when what is really going is a peaceful transition of power as is written by law and that will avoid Honduras to become another Chavez Filial.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

This is a legal removal of a president that is in violation of the Honduran Constitution.
This was not a coup. Zelaya was legally removed by the military at the request of the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Supreme Court that have the following two articles of the Honduran Constitution as the legal authority to do so; ARTICULO 239.- declares that any president that seeks to invalidate the Honduran Constitution in an effort to stay in office shall be removed immediately and not be eligible for office for 10 years. And ARTICULO 205.- which states that Congress has the power to investigate and remove said president at their leisure.

Why is Obama now meddling in the internal affairs of a soveriegn nation and why is he siding with Hugo Chavez against the nation of Honduras?

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Latinoamerica is knowm for its high level of economic disparity between an few very rich oligarchy (usually white) who owm the country and the very poor majority , And in no other country as in Honduras this gap can be seeing.
The whole state of Honduras (including the contitution) had being created to keep the current status quo in place, allowing the rich to control the whole legal, econmic, and social-political.
The idea of people`s participation in the political process, via a referendun, is extremelly dangerous for the system. Any type of legal engineering is used to prevent those indios and blacks to have a voice in the future of Honduran, after all Honduras belong only to them, the rich whose family tree started in Europe.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Hasta cuando Honduras seguira siendo el patio tracero de USA y sus pitiyankies seguiran entregando la patria por cuatro monedas.
Viva Zelaya Viva Morazan viva Bolivar Viva Chavez.

..que se puede esperar de un pueblo que no valore la gloria de ser LIBRE. Bolivar

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Gerardo and Hondureno:
The account you give of the kidnapping of the president and his forced removal to Costa Rica is not supported by the evidence. Some important clarification:

(1) The referendum President Zelaya was seeking was not to expand his term, but to allow the people to vote on whether there should be a 2nd vote allowing him to run again. If you and the Honduran military are so sure this isn't what the people of Honduras wanted, why didn't they allow the referendum and allow the people to vote it down?

(2) Whatever the disagreements between the military and courts vs. Zelaya about the referendum, the world community is united on the belief that kidnapping and forced removal of the president was not the solution. The strongest condemnation has come from other Latin American countries at the current Organization of American States meetings.

(3) It's clear that many more details will be coming forward about the role of different players -- the military, the U.S., etc. -- in the events unfolding in Honduras. The purpose of this post was not to make a broad claim about the role the U.S. is playing, but to give an important backdrop about U.S. history in Honduras, which surely has an impact on what's happening today.

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Here is a copy of the Organization of American States statement on the coup, which passed unanimously:

http://www.narconews.com/Issue57/article3586.html

The statement states that "No Government Arising from this Unconstitutional Interruption Will Be Recognized" and demands "the Immediate, Safe and Unconditional Return of President José Manuel Zelaya Rosales to His Constitutional Functions" in Honduras.

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If the Honduran military does not immediately permit the elected President to return to office, these events seem likely to give rise to an investigation of the roles of U.S. citizens in preparing the coup. Honduras was the main base from which the U.S. launched its "contra" operation against Nicaragua in violation of international law in the 1980s.

What training did the coup leaders have in the United States during their careers? What contacts have they maintained with U.S. personnel? What supply and other relationships does the Honduran military maintain with the U.S. military? Journalists are undoubtedly asking these questions privately today.

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Interesting correlation however Obama has called for the return of the president. If the military is representing the interests of the US in this case, then why does the US officially support the exiled president?

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"Why is Obama now meddling in the internal affairs of a soveriegn nation"

When will the world wake up to americas meddling in just about every country in the world?

Those capitalistic war pigs meddle in everyones affairs...america is definately not your friend.

The good ol united states of terrorists have proven again and again...every single day that they are the ones to be afraid of...every single day there are reports of scores of innocents being slaughtered by american terrorists all around the globe.

Wake up!

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Why doesn't this surprise me.

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Gerardo Paredes: "That the venerable Army of the Republic of Honduras did only the will of the law by removing Manuel Zelaya Rosales from the presidency."

A venerable army that treats the citizens it is meant to defend like pests, to be killed at will, without letting them defend themselves in a civilian court?

Hondureño Orgulloso: The difference between censure by a democratic assembly, and a judge ordering the military to do his will, not that of the people (the Honduran parliament never had a formal vote, or followed the law of its land, in seeking the removal of the president), is the difference between the most basic democracy and a country ruled like a feudo.

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I support the reinstatement not as an overall strategy towards liberation but as a tactic that realizes concrete and real improvements in the lives of poor people in Honduras. It is my understanding that the rich in Honduras are definitely behind the coup and therefore the CIA is also probably secretly supporting the coup. This is what makes the coup horrible.
It is my hope and my dream that the people of Honduras might be able to create spaces through this disaster that will lead to a government of the poor. The poor of Honduras have my full and complete support!

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Obama is another war mongerer and liar. Obama is also a huge fraud who is just another militarist and corporatist, albeit, with smiles and sounding good. Obama will do the world no good as he is just the latest incarnation of Imperial America, coming at you with feel good speeches and fake images of "change." There is nothing to trust about Obama at all. For one thing, Obama is no smarter than former President Bush pertaining to foreign affairs. Obama also lacks deep knowledge over financial matters as well. Obama will be a one-term president and it is time to call Obama on the fraud he is before he continues to strong arm other nations around the world, all the while lying to the American people that he is a "change" president. Obama is a true fake and fraud and the world needs to understand that he believes in the same sinister U.S. policies of all those who came before him in the Oval Office.

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Wow look at all the CIA posts on this comment section. Looks like the have a lot of people working the propaganda on the web now. They always do a bad job of trying to look like everyday people posting their comments.

A Coup is a coup no matter what you call it. The murdering death squad bastards are back in power thanks to the CIA and the poor people of Honduras will suffer again.

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Gerardo y "Hondureno Orgulloso",

Zelaya did not attemtp to invalidate the constitution. Merely, he tried to poll his citizens. You are traitors of your country. The USA is behind the coup.

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Soon Obama will have to pick what "side" he is on. Between Iran and, now, Honduras, Obama is beginning to look like a weak back "peace keeper." All he is doing is saying a bunch of pretty words to walk the middle of the line. It's working for now, but soon it will start to make America look bad. On newsy.com, sources want Obama to reject the attack. However, then he would be siding with the "communist" leader. http://www.newsy.com/videos/honduras_pajamas_and_a_coup Let's be real, Obama doesn't have an opinion. He just says whatever he has to in order to cause the smallest amount of controversy.

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Oye cuanto les paga la CIA por esos comentarios tan amigables a los garantes del golpe de estado?

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Isn't it strange, that after all the commotion about a supposed "rigged" election in Iran, that couldn't be proved, where the "international community" and its propaganda machine the mediacracy, was up in arms condemning the unproved "steeled election"? We witness the "concern" and "dismay" of the same regarding this obvious barbaric act of disregard for the people of Honduras. How convenient lukewarm response! Indeed, there are "good" and "bad" democracies in the world, some to be propped up even against the will of the people, others to be ignored or undermined depending on the imperial premise: "you are with us, or against us". Mind you the same applies to dictatorships around the world. It is nauseating! .

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this explains quite a bit for those who are trying to sell you .."he broke the law!!" excuse!!

http://www.counterpunch.org/kozloff06292009.html

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Zelaya called for a referendum. Ment to re-elect him if the voters want him and vote for him again. This is democracy folks. Something we dont have anymore in the US of A. If we had a referendum in the US, Obama would be ouy on his ass. Damn right cia is behind it!!!!

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Hugo A., so from your comments you were there? If not, then you have no idea what transpired and are doing your part to propagate falsehoods. Some posters here are making some strong accusations that can only be taken as ignorance. Oh, but isn't it easy to lump everything that you dislike into one big pile and blast away? Get a grip people. And just because an officer or two attended a U.S. school, doesn't make the school bad. That's like saying Johns Hopkins sucks because some doctor who studied there performed bad medicine. More than likely, and note that I wasn't there so I don't know, is that what occurred was the only way to stop the movement by Zelaya to change the Constitution for his own ends. I know it's unsophisticated, but it works. Some of you are acting like Zelaya was a saint or something. I highly doubt that he was. And for those who say he was just "polling" the people, give me a break. The guy obviously want to pull a "Chavez."

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This is so much a reminder of what has happened in Haiti. In 1991, Haitian president Aristide was arrested and removed from office because of his blatant disrespect for the constitution, his blatant disrespect of human rights, for his tolerance of drug dealers and his demagogue ideas to make him into a God like dictator. He pretended to be leftist and be the champion of the poor.

The world governments and the international press reacted exactly the way they are right now with what is happening in Honduras. Many articles were written about how the Haitian military had received training from American military schools. Lies were printed on the number of people who died. Former members of Aristide's government kept fomenting lies about how the military and the rich had stolen the people's votes.

Aristide was returned to Haiti under international force in 1994. Well, 10 years later, the international community realized that Mr. Aristide's return was a mistake. Drugs and terrorism were at an all time high. The same man who begged former US President, Bill Clinton to send him back to Haiti became a thorn at Mr. Clinton's side.

In 2004, Haiti's people took to the streets to ask for Mr. Aristide to leave. Mr. Aristide used methods similar to what was used in Iran to keep the people of Haiti from expressing their wish that he leave office and stand trial for his crimes. As things started getting violent, Mr. Aristide asked for protection and exile The international community did not hesitate to send in the troops and escort Mr. Aristide out of Haiti. This time, the international community was not going to fall for his lies and schemes to get power at all costs.

The way I read what is happening in Honduras, this is simply history repeating itself. Having lived in Haiti during those troubled times, I warn everyone to be careful what you read in the internation press. Press outlets such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Miami Herald, CNN, MSNBC,and similar press are not the nuetral reporters that people tend to think they are. Many of them have political agendas that they want to push.

I hope that history does not repeat itself. I hope for the Hondurans that they do not have to endure 14 years before the international community realizes that they sided with one man in the name of democracy instead of siding with a democracy against a man who in reality was not on the side of democracy.

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That's sad Imperialism posing such a big threat to democracy in poor and developing Nations. Imperialist want to enyoy on the Loot from Developing Poor Nations like Honduras while large population of poor there continue to suffer. This dirty game already been played by the meddling nations in Iran but fortunately failed but Honduras being small weak Nation could not stop it. We hope it will give birth to a regional revolution which will destroy the meddling agents in Latin America for ever.

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"The idea of people`s participation in the political process, via a referendun, is extremelly dangerous for the system."

He decided he would have a vote to extend his rule, not the government. There was an election coming in a few months and his term was up. The Political process was taking place. The people would be able to participate in the political process. I'm not sure your comment makes sense. Can you clarify?

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One speculative idea:
After creation wrong things(coup), he is staying on opposite side to be said - I'm really good man.

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I'm sorry my Spanish is not of sufficient quality to respond in Spanish. But your comments deserve a response.

Of course it is newsworthy that the leaders of the coup were trained by the School of the Americas. The legacy of the school in Central America has been torture, terror, death and destruction, all in the name of fighting communism. While I agree that this story is no different from many others from Panama to Guatemala, it is always newsworthy that a terrorist training operationg has gained yet another success in undermining the leadership of a nation-state.

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Es increible que como personas llenas de egoismo con mentes miserables, glotonas de y hambrientas de poder se expresan apoyando a tan cobarde acto en contra de un lider que solamente quiere lo mejor para su pueblo, que delito hay en ayudar al pueblo que es el que siempre lleva la peor parte y que de paso es el elige, Los miserables golpistas cobardes inhumanos, no tinen la menor intencion de ayudar al pueblo a los mas nesecitados simplemente quieren es llenar sus cuentas bancarias sin importarles un bledo el sufrimiento del pueblo, aquel que apoye semejante atrozidad es simplemente otro cobarde mas del gran monton, Los goviernos estan para dar lo mejor posible las facilidades que la gente necesita, condenamos este infame y cobarde acto.

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The fact that the US seems to have known about this potential coup in advance and not insisted in it being prevented speaks volumes. As a former international relations professor, one thing I can confirm is that any small weak country, up to and including Irak, will confer with their US ambassador before carrying out an act with such significant international ramifications. If the response of the US is ambivalent, that is seen as a go-ahead, in other words, the US will not interfere... Can we really imagine that the supreme court, the congress and the military of Honduras did what they did under the impression that the US would veto it? We shall need to wait and see which is the "Proxy" country that is the first to officially recognise the new Honduran government. Not likely to be a Latin American one, probably some obscure Central Asian dictator that will receive huge bank deposits in Switzerland in gratitude for his geneerous gift to the Honduran oligopoly? These next days should prove interesting....

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It is absolutely alarming how a lot of people have such strong opinions about a subject they know nothing about. I don't understand the relevance of this article- Despite all of the lies Zelaya says, I don't believe he has even said he was "tortured". You really need to do your research before you spread opinions with absolutely no base.

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To anonymous June 30 3:39PM

"It is absolutely alarming how a lot of people have such strong opinions about a subject they know nothing about"
The one that looks not knowing a damn thing is this anonymous.
The people of Latin America know perfectly what this is all about, we have the experience of hundreds of years to prove it, the same old recipe welcomed only by the local corrupt rich "vendepatrias" . Perhaps he/she should borrow from Obama the book he received from Chavez, it is called "The Open Veins of Latin America" by the Uruguayan writer Eduardo Galeano.

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I wrote Kristen Bricker to ask what her qualifications are to report on Honduras using vague and inflamatory connections. She was "reporting" from Mexico.

She has not responded.

It would be wise not to fall into the trap of believing this type of free format reporting.

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quote "The legacy of the school in Central America has been torture, terror, death and destruction, all in the name of fighting communism. end quote.

A more correct description would be "There are some who believe that the legacy ...."

I have personally worked with many graduates of SOA in their own countries. It is true that there are some who took the wrong path, but there are just as many who are working to improve human rights abuses and create more professional military establishments in the region than history has shown them to be. To take 50 years of a 500-year history and make claims that SOA is responsible for the political problems that exist in Central and South America is just plain ignorant, or worse yet, disingenuous.

Unfortunately, these days folks are too lazy to do proper research themselves and automatically accept the propaganda being generated by those who have no interest in human rights or democracy, but in power. Those who control the message also maintain the power. That rule has never changed in the history of humankind. It's sad to me that so many are willing to accept the worst without question.

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The actions taken by the country of Honduras go according to its constitution.

Please forward and let the world know that Honduras will not be the stomping ground for Chavez and his dictatorial regime.

First and foremost let me explain something that you already know, but many seem to of forgotten recently, the role of a constitution is to provide scope for good government, while at the same time placing limitations on the powers of the governors.

1- No man or government branch has ABSOLUTE power.The doctrine of the separation of powers, involving a system of checks and balances, is basic to liberal constitutionalism. The system of checks and balances begins with the separation through a constitution of judicial, executive and legislative powers.

PART V: SEPARATION OF THE POWERS OF THE STATE –It is a function of the Legislative Power to approve or disapprove the actions of the Executive Power.

Article 322 .- Any public officer to take possession of his office, he shall take the following oath: "I promise to be faithful to the Republic, execute and enforce the Constitution and laws."

2- THE REFORM OF THE CONSTITUTION – Only Congress can amend or reform the constitution.

Article 373 .- The reform of this Constitution may be ordered by Congress, in regular session, with two thirds vote of all members. The decree will clearly show what article or articles will be reformed for that purpose, these should be ratified by the subsequent legislature (Congress), by an equal number of votes in order for the amendment to be enforced.

3- Proposed an illegal reform to stay in office that goes against our constitution

Article 374 .- There cannot be any reform, under any case to article 373, nor to the constitutional articles that refer to the form of government, national territory, presidential term, to the ban of being re-elected President of the Republic, The citizen who has already served as president or has taken this role under any title played cannot be President of the Republic for the subsequent period.

4- Nobody is above the law.

ARTICLE 321 .- The servers of the State has no special power other than those expressly conferred by law. Performing any act outside the law is null and implies responsibility.

5- Congress and the Judicial Power informed Mr. Zelaya that his actions were illegal and against our constitution, he ignored them and kept moving forward with his own agenda. That is why did the Head of the Military Gen. Romero Vasquez Velasquez refused to participate in the reform to the constitution “referendum” on Sunday.

ARTICLE 323 .- The officials are the depositaries of authority, legally responsible for their official conduct, subject to the law and never above it. No officer or employee, civilian or military, are obliged to follow orders that are illegal or involve the commission of crime.

6- The Judicial Power and Congress urge Mel Zelaya to resign. He refuses; due to this the Judicial Power asks the military for help in enforcing the law! That is why the military removed Mr. Zelaya from his house.

ARTICLE 313 .- The courts will require the help of the public forces(Military) to fulfill their resolutions, if it was denied or not available, it will be requested to the citizens. Those that refused to help will receive full responsibility and penalty of the law.

7- Impeachment of Mel by Congress

ARTICLE 205 .- Correspond to Congress the following powers:

20. Approve or reject the administrative conduct of the Executive Power, Judiciary Power and the National Electoral Court, General Comptroller, Attorney General and decentralized institutions;

8- Micheletti (former president of congress) as President-

ARTICLE 242 .- If the lack of President is absolute, Designee chosen for this purpose by the National Congress, shall exercise the executive power for the remainder time that is left to complete the constitutional period. But in case that the designees for the other three powers were missing, the executive Power shall be exercised by the President of the Congress, and in case that this person is missing then the executive power shall be exercised by the president of the Supreme Court for the remainder time that is left to complete the constitutional period.

Micheletti, being president goes according to the law; it is part of democracy; he is legitimate; Institutional; was elected unanimously by congress and supported by the other Powers the Legislative and Judicial.

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The new administration led by Obama and Hillary Clinton is like the old Bush and Clinton administration pushing torture and assassination as weapons for democracy. Hillary Clinton
is a relic from Bill Clinton's administration that used the SOA (School Of Americas) to train
Gestapo agents that would end democracy in Latin America and allow America's military industrial complex to conquer South America and make it our colony. See colonial rule didn't die it just came out of the closet. This is a clear sign to Russia that it is OK to liberate Georgia from their war driven
rulers

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The people will have the opportunity to vote in November. It is the will of the people that the court and the military fear. They fear it so much that they won't even allow what amounts to a public opinion poll to be taken.

Zelaya must be returned to the Presidency of Honduras. Let the peoples' voices be heard!

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1. You are wrong. The aim of Zelayas's referendum was to expand his term. It would have installed a constitutional assembly. According to the Chavez Doctrine, once activated these are considered "super-constitional" and all the established branches of government either disbanded or relegated to a subordinate level. Any elections from then on would be stacked in favor of the president. This formula worked in Venezuela and has been exported so far to Bolivia and Ecuador. The other branches of government could not allow a a rigged "survey" to go ahead and then be used as evidence of public support for constitutional reform. Take note: the process was under the tutelage of Venezuelans and even the electoral material was provided by Venezuela.

2. Here you are partly right. Kidnapping and forced removal of Zelaya was not the solution. It did give the a chance to the Honduran people to look for a solution. Allowing Zelaya to run roughshod over the rest of the government and the constitution was not a solution either. Maybe the elections in November are the solution. The strongest condemnation has come from the members of ALBA. No surprise here, but these are hardly states with pristine democratic credentials.

3. It is not clear that more details will point any blame on the US government or military. Events unfolding are already throwing light on meddling from other neighbours. Let's give the US a break.

One more thing: The OAS has acted like a President's union, with the objective of defending each other's job. The government of a state is not just its President. All the constitutional powers make up a government and if one of these powers breaks the rules the others have a duty to re-establish the constitutional order.

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Te molesta porque Zelaya fue destituido lagalmente, te molesta pues eres comunista, le hechas la culpa te tus males a todos los demas, mas jamas te paras a pensar si lo has hecho bien o mal, lo cual dice que no eres mas que un fracasado que culpa al mundo por sus desaciertos, como todo marxista.
Que bueno que lo sacaron, saluda a los que tuvieron el coraje de hacerlo, espero que el nuevo gobierno, no le ni la hora a Insulza, pues este es otro marxista, disfrazado de democrata.

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I don't think this situation qualifies as a coup d'etat if the people of Honduras and the legally elected government wanted Zelaya out. I think we should continue to aid Honduras, as they will be needed help to fight Hugo Chavez and his communistic tactics.

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This is what it was all about:
US Military Base at the Epicenter of the Honduras Coup
http://deadlinelive.info/2009/07/01/us-military-base-at-the-epicenter-of-the-honduras-coup/

Zelaya announced he was turning a military air base into a commercial jetport, with financing from ALBA. Wrong move. Honduran "democracy" is a farce, and the military has been running things since the 1980's when the US created a dictatorship there. The generals control the courts and the congress, as Zelaya has discovered.

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It doesn't take long to recognize another fascist organization. Sorry to say the "Institute for Southern Studies" is one.

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fas⋅cism
–noun
1. a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

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Honduras -- Now a military dictatorship

In a democracy, a democratically elected president is impeached only by a democratic process. Namely a hearing open to the public that allows the president to call witnesses in his defence.

Comes now a group of politicians in Honduras, all put into office by the rich nobility of Honduras, and they to secretly order the military to secretly use deadly force to destroy the office of President, and create the office of Dictator.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Chris,
Your logic is horrendously flawed.

First despite its blatant illegality it doesn't matter what Zeleya wanted to do. He was attempting to conduct actions that had been declared illegal by the Honduran Congress and Attorney General. Their Constitution states that the President cannot conduct these types of referendums with very good reason. Dictators for life need to be a thing of the past in Central America, i.e. Hugo and Castro Brothers. The Honduran legislators were simply acting within the framework of their Constitution.

Second the people of Honduras would have EVERY legal opportunity to have a referendum conduct during the next election cycle if they decided that's what they want. They simply vote out their current Congressional leaders, vote into power those who would support a referendum, and have the Constitution changed.

Next, it matters not what the World thinks, despite what Barrack and Hillary may believe, it only matters what the Honduran people believe. If the majority of the Honduran people believe this is was an illegal move then why are they not taking to the streets en masse? Yes, there have been minor protests however not the size one would expect for a total and complete outrage of the people. Severe crackdowns as we have seen in Iran did not occur with the few protests that did happen. Police did not crack heads open.

I have been following this story since it broke and have not seen any evidence indicating that this was a Coup in the traditional sense. None, zip, zero na-da. In fact, all I have seen is broad condemnation of a Constitutionally sanctioned internal event of a foreign nation.

As a citizen of this nation sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States I am completely embarrassed at my Nation's Leaders response. However it does reinforce my belief of their true colors. However this matters not in the context of this response.

Bottom line is that the Honduran Leadership, freely elected by the people followed the letter of their Constitution and the law of THEIR (not ours) land. We as Americans should support this and not fall in line with the likes of Chavez and Castro. If the people believe their freely elected leaders acted in error they will make it known with (hopefully) peaceful protests.

We, as a Nation, are backing the wrong side and are sitting in very very poor company. This will come back to bite us in the butt someday.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

"Obama would be out on his ass". Then... who would be in?

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Looks like the Rockefeller's are at it again.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

I smell CIA, and US Honduran ambassador just like the "good old days". Change you can believe in.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

You must live in a dream world. Live down here and you won't make that stupid comment you just made. The "Legislative" and "Judicial" branches (if you want to call it that) are controled by the Establishmente headed by 6-7 mega rich families through a controled two-party system (the others are there for cosmetic purposes). THEY make the laws and DECIDE it's status and expliot like parasites the underclass who are not represented. You oppose them and the results are what you have seen and read about.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Obama is not siding with Hugo Chavez, he is siding with the rights of the people to elect their president democratically. A peaceful change of power does not involve kidnapping.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Can any one show me or explain why Chavez will be call "DICTATOR" or "Dictador"?

I do not remember any thing that will point him as a "dicatator". He won every election, we proposed and made changes using the Venezuelan's constitution or you know another way that may be he is using and the all of us we do not know!!???

Easy to call dictator or something else.
The right win are just manipulators look for them now the White House become the Red White House because of Obama's policies...No sense to claims from the right win

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

This is not a "military" coup. It would be nice if people who spread this kind of sheer sensationalist idiocy would realize that they are putting LIVES in danger in Honduras by spreading false news. The Internet is a powerful tool that can be used for good, for disseminating true information; however, sheer mindless abuse of the Internet to spread garbage instead of information causes incredible HARM. First, lives are at risk. Second, reputations of honorable people in Honduras and their government are severely questioned. Third, you are enabling a real traitor who attempted a coup on Honduras by taking over powers and functions that were not his by law, to wage a media war and an actual insurrection against lawful, peace-loving Hondurans.

These are Constitutional events in Honduras by which Manuel Zelaya voided his own Presidency through acts of treason, usurpation of the functions of another branch of government, and was automatically discharged by the operation of the Constitution itself. Because of the danger he posed as an egregious lawbreaker, the Supreme Court of Honduras issued an interlocutory arrest warrant.

Wake up and check your facts before you spread nonsense. You are actually responsible for what you say! Remember that!

SOME FACTS are here:

http://honduras-not-a-military-coup.blogspot.com

Kathleen Moore
HABEAS CORPUS CANADA
The Official Legal Challenge
To North American Union
www.habeascorpuscanada.com
MY OWN VIDEOS: http://hccvideocatalog.blogspot.com

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

Read these articles for some REAL NEWS about the Honduras coup. Clinton's fingerprints are all over it. The strategy is to breed conflict to provide an pretext for building up US military forces in Latin America. Colombia will be the Israel of South America (they even bought 25 new Israeli jet fighters). Obama needs to fire Clinton and support Zelaya's return or admit his administration backs the fascist generals.

August 12, 2009
US Secretary of State Clinton’s Micro-Management of the Corporation that Funds the Honduras Coup Regime
Records Demonstrate that the Secretary Has Hands-On Control of the Fund that Gave $6.5 Million to the Regime After the June 28 Coup
By Bill Conroy and Al Giordano
Special to The Narco News Bulletin
http://narconews.com/Issue59/article3760.html

August 11, 2009
Too Cute by Half on Honduras, Mr. President
Narco News Documents $6.5 million in US Dollars to the Honduras Regime After the June 28 Coup d'Etat
By Al Giordano
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/too-cute-half-honduras-mr-president

I also recommend School of the Americas Watch as a source of information: http://www.soaw.org/

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

The U.S. has always pulled these coups in south america whenever their interests are threatened. Honduras, like naive Columbia who is welcoming them in, are stepping stones for us security. After all there are more socialists in latin america then ever before. Look what the north american governments are doing here in their own back yard - closed door arrangements to creat a north american union and militarized police force to keep the people from protesting the injustices happening here and the lovely new weapons they are using like tazers and sonic weapons. U.S has micro chips in passports now, soon will be social security cards and following that will be microchips implanted in newborns. Sooo If you like your freedom I would suggest that you support socialism in any country around the world because it is our only hope.

re: Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.

John,

Would you please contact me at ramelhado@yahoo.com?
I understand that you are a historian and have information about my ancestors Joseph Melhado who according to you emigrated to El Salvador (date?). Joseph was the son of William Melhado ex British Consul in Trujillo around 18..?
I understand that you provided that information (about Joseph) to Dra. Lizet Payne Iglesias. She mentions your name in her investigative work.

I found you in the Google "replay to O"Mally's comments.

I live in Vancouver, BC Canada (for 30 years). I was born in El Salvador. I am also Canadian Citizen. I am in search of my ancestors. I hope you can help me.

Ramon Melhado
e-mail
ramelhado@yahoo.com