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Controversial immigration enforcement program goes statewide in North Carolina

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By Rebekah L. Cowell, special to Facing South

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced last week that all 100 counties in North Carolina have been connected to the Secure Communities program. That makes North Carolina the 10th state to implement the program statewide, along with the border states of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California and Florida. The Obama administration has said its goal is to have every state enrolled in the program within the next two years.

While supporters of the program say it's needed to identify and target criminal aliens, immigrant rights advocates raise concerns that it creates distrust between the immigrant community and local police.

Under Secure Communities, individuals arrested by local law enforcement officers are supposed to be fingerprinted and their prints are run through two separate databases -- the FBI's criminal database and ICE's IDENT database. Immigration status is confirmed by "hits" that indicate whether the individual has papers or is undocumented. ICE detains undocumented individuals and takes steps to deport them. ICE says the program "improves and modernizes the identification and removal of criminal aliens from the United States."

Early supporters of Secure Communities in Congress including Rep. David Price (D-N.C.) had hoped that the program would alleviate some of the racial profiling concerns connected to the controversial 287(g) program, which deputized local law enforcement officers as immigration officers and gave them authority to initiate immigration deportation proceedings. During his tenure as chairman of the House Homeland Security Appropriation Committee in the past two congressional sessions, Price said he pressured ICE to adhere to the stated goals of Secure Communities.

"The expansion of Secure Communities is largely responsible for the fact that for the first time in the agency's history, ICE is now removing more criminals than non-criminals from this country," said Price. "Still, there is no question that ICE must continue to sharpen the program's focus on serious criminal offenders, and I will continue to push for that objective as I help oversee the budget for ICE."

Other proponents of the Secure Communities program include the North Carolina Sheriff's Association, whose executive vice president, Edmond Caldwell Jr., does not believe the program present challenges for local law enforcement officers. "The program is important in North Carolina and across America because it provides important information to law enforcement officers about persons who have violated the law and been arrested," Caldwell said.

Price and other supporters of Secure Communities argue that the program represents an improvement over 287(g) because the decision of whether to put someone into deportation proceedings rests with ICE and not local law enforcement.  But others wonder whether that distinction will be clear to immigrants.

"I am sure that those who advocate for Secure Communities are sincere when they say that it disengages local law enforcement from immigration enforcement, but all my clients know is that their wife or sister or son were deported after being arrested by a local cop for driving without a license," said Marty Rosenbluth executive director of the N.C. Immigrant Rights Project. "This links local police to ICE and creates fear of the police in the eyes of the community."

There are also questions about whether the program effectively targets criminal aliens, since statistics released by ICE show the majority of immigrants deported through the Secure Communities program were either never convicted of any offense or were convicted of low-level crimes. Consider the experience of Wake County, which became the first North Carolina county to enroll in the program in November 2008: Data released by ICE last month showed that 64 percent of all Secure Communities deportees from Wake County were non-criminal.

"The Secure Communities program was designed to catch convicted felons, but in actuality the program is making a broad sweep across the non-criminal immigrant population," said Rosenbluth.

Despite these concerns, Rep. Price believes that if the Secure Communities program is used as ICE intended then the program is "far more efficient, just, and better for our communities than the system of work-site raids emphasized during the Bush Administration, when we were deporting hundreds of thousands more non-criminals than criminals."

But immigrant rights advocates say this argument misses the point.

"The question that needs to be asked is whether immigrants are being arrested and fingerprinted for offenses where non-immigrants would only receive a citation," Rosenbluth said. "I doubt very much I would be handcuffed and fingerprinted if I left my wallet and license at home and were ticketed for driving without a license. "

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re: Controversial immigration enforcement program goes statewide

Read this whos to blame for our economy, its NOT the POOR MIGRANTS.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/market-crash-2011-it-will-hit-by-christmas-2011-02-22

I AM NOT SAYING DONT CLOSE THE BORDERS. I AM SAYING STOP THE HATE.

Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrants.

1. Myth: Undocumented immigrants are getting government services for free.

REALITY: They actually give more than they take. Over the past two decades, most studies that have tried to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that the tax revenue generated by immigrants —both legal and undocumented— exceeds the cost of the services they use. Thus, an Economic Report of the President published in 2005 estimated that all immigrants, regardless of status, paid on average US$80,000 per capita more in taxes than the cost of the government services they were expected to use over their lifetime. Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between US $120 billion and US $240 billion from undocumented immigrants. That represented 5.4% to 10.7% of the trust fund’s total assets of US$2.24 trillion that year. The Social Security Administration estimates that two-thirds of unauthorized immigrant workers (about 5.6 million people) were paying into the system in 2007. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of US$12 billion in 2007 alone.

2. Myth: Undocumented workers do not pay taxes.

Reality: They do, and in several different ways. According to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), the majority of undocumented immigrants pays income tax using, among other mechanisms, Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN’s), while most employers withhold federal, state and local taxes from such workers. In fact, between one-half and three-quarters of undocumented immigrants pay federal and state income taxes, Social Security, and Medicare taxes.Undocumented immigrants pay the same real estate taxes—whether they own homes or taxes are passed on to them through rents—and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The majority of state and local costs for schooling and other services is funded by these taxes. Additionally, the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute US$6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim (Porter 2005). This amount, moreover, keeps accumulating, generating US$6 to US$7 billion in Social Security annual tax revenue, and an additional US$1.5 billion in Medicare taxes. This money, according to the 2008 annual report of the Social Security Board of Trustees, will help reduce the SSA’s projected longterm
deficit by 15%, which is equivalent to a 0.3% rise in the pay roll tax.

3. Myth: Undocumented workers are a burden on the U.S. economy.

Reality: Immigrants not only pay taxes, but they also contribute significantly to the economy.

In a 2007 report, the White House Council of Economic Advisers concluded that, because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, they complement the U.S. born workforce, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool. Immigration increases the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by roughly US$37 billion each year.9 Given that employment has been the main driver behind undocumented immigration to the U.S. in recent decades, it should come as no surprise that this group is particularly hard working and has a high employment rate (96%).10 Moreover, beyond undocumented immigrants, the Hispanic community as a whole has increasingly contributed to the U.S. economy. According to the U.S. Department of Commerce and the U.S. Census Bureau, Hispanic owned firms increased by nearly 44 percent between 2002 and 2007, growing from 1.6 million businesses to 2.3 million. Employment at Hispanic-owned firms also grew by 26 percent from 1.5 million to 1.9 million workers, a growth rate significantly higher than that of non-minority-owned firms. Hispanic-owned businesses generated US$345.2 billion in sales in 2007, up 55.5 percent compared with 2002. And finally, of all Hispanic-owned firms with multiple employees, approximately 44,000 have revenues of more than US$1 million, representing an increase of more than 51 percent over 2002.

4. Myth: Undocumented immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans.
REALITY: Undocumented Immigrants differ from U.S. citizens in their economic sectors and occupation.

Among unauthorized immigrants in the labor force, 30% are service workers and 21% are construction workers. An additional 15% are production and installation workers. Two-thirds (66%) of unauthorized immigrant workers are employed in these three broad categories; by contrast, only 31% of U.S.-born workers perform those jobs. Unauthorized immigrants provide an important source of manpower in agriculture, construction, food processing, building cleaning and maintenance, and other similar jobs, at a time when the share of low-skilled, U.S.-born individuals in the labor force has fallen dramatically. Not only do unauthorized immigrants provide an important source of low-skilled labor, but they also respond to market conditions in ways that legal immigration presently cannot. Undocumented inflows broadly track economic performance, rising during periods of expansion, and stalling during downturns. Undocumented immigration is sensitive to labor market demand. Immigrants are more likely to work in seasonal activities, such as agriculture, which suffer the largest job losses during downturns. Therefore, the size of the immigrant population changes in response to economic downturns or expansion. Immigration is not the cause of today’s high unemployment rates. In fact, reliable estimates show that immigration levels —both undocumented and applications for H-1B visas for high-skilled professionals— have fallen along with the economic downturn. In the longer term, however, the U.S. economy is also likely to need immigrant labor as the fertility rate in the United States, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, is projected to fall below the replacement level by 2015-2020. The number of workers age 55 and over will likely increase by 49%, compared to projected increases of only 5% among those 25 to 54 and 9% among the 16 to 24 age group, creating a gap in the population pyramid between the economically active population and those in retirement age that is likely to be filled by immigrants.

5. MYTH: Undocumented immigrants are a burden to the healthcare system.

REALITY: Quite the contrary, immigrants contribute more than they take.

Federal, state and local governments spend approximately US$1.1 billion annually on healthcare costs for undocumented immigrants, aged 18-64, or approximately US$11 in taxes for each U.S. household. This compares to the US $88 billion spent on all health care for non-elderly adults in the U.S. in 2000. Foreign-born individuals tend to use fewer health care services because they are relatively healthier than their U.S.- born counterparts. For example, in Los Angeles County, “total medical spending on undocumented immigrants was US$887 million in 2000, 6% of total costs, although undocumented immigrants comprise 12 percent of the region’s residents.” A 2007 study based on data from the 2003 California Health Interview Survey found that “undocumented Mexicans and other undocumented Latinos reported less use of health care services and poorer experiences with care compared with their U.S.-born counterparts.” In 2007, the Oregon Center for Public Policy estimated that undocumented immigrants pay state income, excise, and property taxes, as well as federal Social Security and Medicare taxes, which “total about US$134 million to US$187 million annually.” In addition, “taxes paid by Oregon employers on behalf of undocumented workers total about US$97 million to US$136 million annually.” As the report goes on to note, undocumented workers are ineligible for the Oregon Health Plan, food stamps, and temporary cash assistance. A study by the Iowa Policy Project concluded that “undocumented immigrants pay an estimated aggregate amount of US$40 million to US$62 million in state taxes each year.” Moreover, “undocumented immigrants working on the books in Iowa and their employers also contribute annually an estimated US$50 million to US$77.8 million in federal Social Security and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. Rather than draining state resources, undocumented immigrants are in some cases subsidizing services that only documented residents can access.”

6. MYTH: Undocumented immigrants are responsible for higher crime rates.

REALITY: Current and historical studies show instead that immigration is associated with lower crime rates and lower incarceration rates.

Since the early 1990s, as the immigrant population, especially the undocumented one, increased to historic highs, the rates of violent crimes and property crimes in the United States decreased significantly, in some instances to historic lows - as measured both by crimes reported to the police and by national victimization surveys. Moreover, data from the Census and a wide range of other empirical studies show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even for those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the
undocumented population. These patterns have been observed consistently over the last three decennial censuses, a period that spans the current era of high immigration. One can also recall similar national level findings reported by three major government commissions during the first three decades of the 20th century. The lowest incarceration rates among Latin American immigrants are seen for the groups who account for the majority of the undocumented: the Salvadorans and Guatemalans (0.52 percent), and the Mexicans (0.70 percent).

THE BOTTOM LINE: Undocumented immigrants are an important component of the U.S. economy. They meet the labor demand in sectors in which they do not directly compete with U.S.-born workers. The great majority of migrant workers are taxpaying, hardworking, and law-abiding people who are integrating into U.S. society.

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THE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES:
Q: “Is it true that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes and drain our economy?”
A: As Ben Franklin said, “Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes on their property and anything they buy. More than half of them have taxes taken out of their paychecks, but because our immigration system is dysfunctional, these taxes are paid under false Social Security numbers. We need a new regimen in which we know who is paying taxes and can ensure that no one is getting a free ride. The only way to do that is to pull unauthorized immigrants out of the shadows and get them on the right side of the law.
Three state-level studies have found that unauthorized immigrants pay more in taxes than they use in benefits. In Iowa, unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $40 to $62 million in state taxes, while they and their employers contribute an additional $50 million to $77.8 million in federal, Social Security, and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. In Oregon, unauthorized immigrants—who are not eligible for any state benefits—pay between $134 million and $187 million in taxes each year. Finally, in Texas, the State Comptroller found that, without unauthorized residents, the gross state product in 2005 would have been $17.7 billion less.
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The economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.

That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund's total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.

Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss's 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.

The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.

Adding to the Social Security irony is that the restrictionists are mostly OLDER AND RETIRED WHITES from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.

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Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Boost the Economy & Help ALL American Workers: As opposed to the mass deportation, enforcement-only approach, addressing and fixing the immigration system in a wholesale manner will be a boon to the U.S. economy and all U.S. workers. That is why both the AFL-CIO and Change to Win created The Labor Movement’s Joint Framework for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Dr. Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda conducted a 2010 report for the Center for American Progress and the Immigration Policy Center that found that “Unlike the current enforcement-only strategy, comprehensive reform would raise the ‘wage floor’ for the entire U.S. economy—to the benefit of both immigrant and native-born workers.” According to the study, granting legal status to undocumented immigrants and creating flexible legal limits on future immigration flows would generate enough consumer-spending to support 750,000-900,000 jobs. The report also found that the mass deportation approach would reduce GDP by 1.46 percent annually, amounting to a loss of $2.6 trillion over 10 years.

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The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax; http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html

Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city : http://www.town-usa.com/statetax/statetaxlist.html

Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html

TAX DATA : http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.

The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.

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Wow that is a very interesting cut/paste. I imagine that every story on the web involving the poor immigrant laborer probably has the same cut/past from you. Just one example of how your argument(s) that illegal’s are helpful to the US, you failed to address how every pregnant illegal who delivers a child in the US costs anywhere from a low of $9,000 to $25,000, depending on the state/city where the child is delivered. That cost alone would only cover a complication-free delivery. The costs can sometimes hover in the $100,000 to $250,000 rage if you factor in a preemie birth with complications. So without completely decimating your fact-less and opinion-based arguments one by one, the above “fact” speaks more to the truth of the true cost of illegal immigration, than your “Azitlan” & “La Raza” skewed information that is more on par with fiction.
Why do you think that the number of Level I trauma centers has been reduced to 4, of which, only one is a Pediatric. Might have a little something to do with the fact that California has more 25% of the countries illegal alien population?
So since California has the largest population of illegals who, according to you, are such generous contributors, why is the state and the health-care system broke?
I think your should re-examine your sources and rhetoric, since they all seem to be more pro-illegal and less about REAL facts.

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This is not a question of whether illegal aliens pay taxes or tolls. It is a matter of whether they are here legally or illegally. We do not sell citizenship in this country in return for those who pay taxes or tolls. This country is slowly, but surely, being turned into a clone of the lawless, corrupt,third world countries these illegal aliens left behind due to lawless, corrupt, and greedy organizations such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, unions, businesses, churches, LaRaza, and anti-American politicians and citizens who aid and abet them.

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THE LEFTIST DREAM OF AN OPEN BORDER SOCIETY, DEMOCRATS WAITING FOR MORE VOTES AND REPUBLICANS FOR MORE CHEAP LABOR TO EXPLOIT AND SUBSIDIZE THEIR ENORMOUS PROFITS.

It’s sad that our schools are crammed to the limit with children of illegal aliens. They come here--and never paid a single penny into the education system. States are burdened by unfunded mandates including schooling for illegal children, which when analyzed billions of dollars paid out of American people's empty pockets. State colleges will be demanding more money from taxpayers, to subsidize the wishes of bleeding hearts, open border brain dead leftist and socialist insanity. California is in education mess and must look to parents to subsidize pens, paper and textbooks owing to the States descent into a disastrous financial pit. Governor Jerry Brown is pushing for a Statewide Dream Act will further erode the California education. This will mean even more State hands outs and higher taxes for property owners.

Each State now has accumulated so much debt from the occupation of people from across our national border and economic tourists with no return airline tickets. England was so frustrated with economic health care tourist, that they are slamming the door on people turning up from impoverished regions of the world, to slap taxpayers with the bill. Same with our nation that the courts have mandated we must give health care, education and even low income housing to illegal alien families. The United States of America that has become the free health care center for central and Latin America, Eastern Europe and other poor areas of the world, who is consuming vast amounts of services meant for the legal populace.

The Tea Party is discussing now with its tens of millions of members, to possibly joining up with pro-sovereignty organizations that are ready to unseat corrupt politicians, who have flip-flopped over immigration laws in Utah and Arizona and States further afield. There is also talk of communicating the word to the membership of all organizations--to boycott--the corporate instigators that forwarded a veiled threat in a letter to the Republican Arizona Senate. At the head of the table was the US Chamber of Commerce that have been fully involved in crippling E-Verify to a voluntary basis amongst other laws, just like that old nut Senator Reid in Nevada.

THE WORD IS OUT THAT UTAH, IS WELCOMING ALL THE ECONOMIC REFUGEES FROM ARIZONA

Word of mouth will resonate across all frontiers, and internally throughout America and hundreds of thousands of economic illegal aliens will be arriving in lenient States. If illegal aliens think they can get drivers licenses in Washington State, New Mexico they will be pouring in from everywhere. They will pillage your welfare safety-net for all your impoverished citizens and legal residents, just as they have in the Sanctuary State of California and Nevada. Unions are losing memberships have been turning to the recruitment of foreign nationals that are now crowding the SEIU and other service Trade Unions. Trumka is just another Leftist with his trade union bullies, hoping to undermine the "Rule of Law" so that he can keep his power. When it comes to tourism suffering because of clamp downs on illegal alien workers, this fits only into the giant profits of travel and tourist companies. Entertainment industries should not be exempt from using E-Verify, as once the cheap labor bond is broken, they will have no choice but to hire legitimate workers, that will mean higher wages and benefits. Using foreign labor instead of Americas true labor force, is but one avenue to reduce the 10 million legit people who need jobs.

Utah doesn't have any notion of what is going to happen to them, once the illegal aliens start whispering to each other? The flood will turn into a deluge and all those under threat in Arizona and in other States building policing laws will become persona non grata. They will materialize in the hundreds of thousands in Salt Lake City, Ogden and start lining up for the food Stamps, Medicaid and anything else they can get for free. Their kids will suffocate the school system and they will have no choice but to hire more bilingual teachers. These people are well taught on how to wring the most welfare programs from the system, including free breakfasts and lunches for their children. They are well aware as in California the more babies they conjure up, they can receive $600 dollars of your money, for each child in their care. One only has to read on the Internet that there is a fraudulent game going on with child tax credits that is also costing hundreds of millions in your dollars.

The hospitals in Utah will be crammed with the newly sick and arrive in the emergency room with 4 or five children and then Utah's old folks, will have to wait 4 hours or more for treatment as the numbers grow. In one hospital in Texas there are a hundred illegal aliens on dialysis machines, costing taxpayers $100.000 dollars annually for each patient. Explore the Pdf file "Illegal Aliens and American Medicine." http://tinyurl.com/o6r27 Remember this is not about honest, law abiding legalized people who are of many religions, creeds or races. This is about illegal immigration and the consequences now and in the immediate future. Anybody who really believes the US government, or the leftist newspapers or groups with special incentives that there is--ONLY--11 million unauthorized persons here, must have an insanity claim.

Just as in the Sanctuary State of California being overwhelmed with welfare classes, so will Utah, Michigan, Florida and will smother other States with their demands. Neighborhoods will become the scene of rusty, derelict cars and the business owners will exploit them and enjoy obscene profits. Oh! But we must not forget the growing prominence of DUI (Drunk While in charge of a motor vehicle) Hit and runs will begin to rocket and more drug peddlers will move in, to sell their toxic wares to young children. Soon--more prisons will have to be constructed to incarcerate the murderers, kidnappers, home invasion crime, female and children assaults and other criminal enterprises. Just like California, Nevada and other refuge States, your debt will be accelerating because you will be forking out large sums of money like never before, to support Utah's own little invasion. GOD HELP UTAH!! If this law for Guest Workers is found constitutional these illegal persons with their extended families will suddenly appear

To repeat this statistic--that for every 1 dollar spent by illegal immigrants, they receive 3 to 4 dollars in service and public entitlements. According to (FAIR) one hundred and thirteen billion went out the door in federal entitlements, for education, health care and incarcerations; these dollar numbers are not what States payout. Each State has its own cross to bear, with no aid from the US government. CONTACT THE ARIZONA OR LOCAL TEA PARTY TO JOIN AND ERADICATE THIS TRAVESTY PLAYED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

America isn't a melting pot anymore, it’s a powder keg.

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I am so glad to see legislators tackling this issue early on and setting a precedent that illegals are not welcome in North Carolina. The rights set forth by the constitution are a privilege of citizens and citizens alone. Way to go North Carolina!

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Illegals whine and complain about ANY type of enforcement. Why do they think they should not be held accountable for their crimes? Are the cops just supposed to overlook "low-level crimes" just because they are committed by illegals? Legal citizens don't get that perk. Just how many crimes is acceptable in their eyes? And why are cops and politicians standing upr for criminal aliens anyway. They are illegal, they are not authorized to be in this country and they commit many other crimes in the process. That is enough reason right there to deport them when found, no matter what. Quit babying the illegals already and enforce the laws!!

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Interesting legal theory, Liz. Too bad you weren't there to advise Bush; he could have avoided all that secret prison and Guantanamo unpleasantness, because under your interpretation the constitution would not have applied to those people. I suppose I overlooked your brief in the Supreme Court decision that stated the constitution applies to everyone or it applies to no one, and that artificially holding prisoners offshore does not obviate that coverage.

Just guessing here, but did you get your law degree from Liberty University? No? I guess even they teach that the constitution applies to all persons, not to all citizens. Must have gotten your degree from ALIPAC, then. Those anti-immigrant groups really have no respect for history or for this country.

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Illegals whine and complain about ANY type of enforcement. Why do they think they should not be held accountable for their crimes? Are the cops just supposed to overlook "low-level crimes" just because they are committed by illegals? Legal citizens don't get that perk. Just how many crimes is acceptable in their eyes? And why are cops and politicians standing upr for criminal aliens anyway. They are illegal, they are not authorized to be in this country and they commit many other crimes in the process. That is enough reason right there to deport them when found, no matter what. Quit babying the illegals already and enforce the laws!!

re: Controversial immigration enforcement program goes statewide

The comments that illegals are a benefit are so skewed as to be laughable. Obviously written by someone who can't do 3rd grade math. You compare the cost of medical benefits of illegals to those of legals. There are many more legals here so the cost will naturally be higher for legasl including citizens. No one is complaining about legal immigrants so to include them in your argument on taxes is ridiculous. Of course legals pay taxes. They are the law abiding ones. Recent studies show that since the Dream Act failed, more illegals are being paid under the table since they do not believe they will ever be citizens.
They do not pay real estate taxes. They pay for a place to live. Renters do not pay real estate taxes and is this economy, many rents do not pay the mortgage and taxes but the owner can't sell the home in this depressed economy. If a homeowner defaults on taxes, does the government come after the renters, duh! They don't take jobs from Americans are you kidding me? 10 years ago, construction work was a good paying job to support ones family. Illegals have depressed wages and since citizens do not get the freebies illegals do, they can no longer afford to take those jobs. It isn't because they don't want them, they don't get welfare like the illegals.

re: Controversial immigration enforcement program goes statewide

Wow, there is so much nonense on both sides of this that my head is throbbing like I just got out of a RAP concert. Please raise your hand if any of you are Native Americans.

How much terror did our ancestors inflict on their ancestors with illegal immigration into their country eh? One word of caution here folks; before you go on to complain about others coming here for a better life, disengage your mouths and do a little critical thinking...